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Big Country Forum
I LOVE BIG COUNTRY BUT.....................
| Eugenio Bindi - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 1:26 pm |
..........Yesterday I was watching and listening to live in Moscow 1988 and live in Berlin.Well I ABSOLUTELY love BC but I don't like everything they've done.These two dvds are so bad to me.I mean, all those beautiful songs full of keyboards and backing singers....they almost seem another band.I really can't watch these two dvds...........How can you listening to wonderland with the keyboards in the background?Simply my opinion but the songs of that era are crap to me and,once again,all of you know how much I love BC..............
I'd like to know Tony,Mark,Bruce,Ian's opinions and yours........................
Eugenio '66 |
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| Andreas Reinschmidt - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 3:53 pm |
| You are absolutely right Eugenio, the keyboards were crap and the two "female" backing singers even more. Just listen to Chance on MOSCOW 1988 and hear how these two "women" ruin this wonderful song. Oh, and I can dance much better than they do, which is strange, because I can`t dance. Without the keyboards and with a backing vocalist like Eddi Reader or Kirsten Adamson these two concerts could have been fantastic. Cheers proterra67 |
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| Alan Castledine - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 5:53 pm |
| Got to agree, never understood the whole keyboard, backing singers thing. Guess they had to try new things but it wasn't as if they needed a bigger sound or were unproven in the bigger arenas. Pressure to be more American maybe? Some decent songs from that era but the album production and image? Not a fave BC period for me. |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 7:46 pm |
Maybe in order to find some new fans they REALLY had the CHANCE to loose even the old ones...!!!
Eugenio '66 |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 7:55 pm |
...And I've used the word chance...............
Eugenio '66 |
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| Ian Grant - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 8:02 pm |
| the answer to your questions Alan = Peter Wolf |
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| Nicole Winterfeldt - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 8:15 pm |
Hi Eugenio,
I guess that very era with backing singers and keyboards was sort of a concession to the music industrie; wanting to sell records- which is a reasonable point in my opinion. Production- wise PIOT was a bit, 'flat'. The tunes were produced in a catchy way but the rocky/dark/melancholic edge which was part of BC's music before was missing in large parts. When I listen to some of the stuff from that particular era on rarities, I can feel how the songs were actually ment to be. Just listen to a track like 'I could be happy here'! Wow! It's so overwhelming it brings tears to my eyes. That's the way they should have kept the whole thing productionwise.
Anyway- the backingsingers were crap, we don't need to argue about that. But eventually I think that some of the most beautiful songs of BC were created during the PIOT period.
Cheers,
Nicole |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Tuesday, 9 March 2010, at 9:01 pm |
You're absolutely right Nicole.And as regards Peter Wolf:if he only could guess and imagine how much we love him...........................
Eugenio '66 |
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| Bram Van Aarle - Wednesday, 10 March 2010, at 7:52 am |
| thx for the question and the answer. So it was PW that f@ck#d up the gig in Tilburg in 1989... aah well I got used to it and now it is part of the show. |
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| Thomas Enright - Wednesday, 10 March 2010, at 10:43 am |
| I so loathe Peter Wolf. He ruined the careers of two bands I liked a lot, BC and Wang Chung. Wang Chung's Points on a Curve album was excellent and then the PW produced Mosaic was terrible. |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Wednesday, 10 March 2010, at 7:33 pm |
PLEASE STOP THAT MAN FROM DOING OTHER DAMAGES........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eugenio '66 |
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| Andreas Reinschmidt - Wednesday, 10 March 2010, at 8:48 pm |
| And that man was nominated for several grammy awards...muhaha. I think too much damage is already done. proterra67 |
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| Dav Mullin - Thursday, 11 March 2010, at 2:49 pm |
You've got to admire Eugenio's honesty. From my own point of view, pretty much anything with backing singers is dreadful. (I mean two or three people swaying in time to the music and doing an occasional 'shoobie doobie doo', not members of the band singing backing vocals.)
As for keyboards, they have their place, and can be really effective when used well, but for me, the best music is rock music, and that's about guitars. |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Thursday, 11 March 2010, at 7:24 pm |
You're right Dav:GUITARS,GUITARS,GUITARS...!!!
And the ones of Bruce and Stuart,WOW.............
Eugenio '66
Ps:as regards guitar sound I honestly think that Skids' scared to dance is Stuart at his best...
(I love that track so much) |
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| Doug Summers - Thursday, 11 March 2010, at 8:35 pm |
Wolf was one of America's top ranking studio keyboardists and arrangers from 1980 to 1985 and became very successful as a music producer and songwriter.[citation needed]
Peter Wolf produced eight #1 songs and has produced, arranged and/or written for a wide range of musical talents. A list of his pop hit productions includes:
Jefferson Starship ("No Way Out" #23 US, 1984)
The Commodores ("Nightshift" #3 US, #3 UK, 1985)
Starship ("We Built This City" #1 US, #12 UK, 16 and 23 Nov. 1985)
Starship ("Sara" #1 US, March 15, 1986)
Wang Chung ("Everybody Have Fun Tonight" #2 US, #76 UK, 1986)
Wang Chung ("Let's Go" #9 US, #81 UK, 1987)
El Debarge ("Who's Johnny" #1 US, 1986, main theme of the film, Short Circuit)
Nik Kershaw ("The Works", 1989)
Go West ("King of Wishful Thinking" from the movie Pretty Woman #8 US, #18 UK, 1990)
Go West ("Faithful" #14 US, #13 UK, 1992)
Heart ("These Dreams" #1 US, 1986),
Heart ("What About Love" #10 US, 1985) (Synth, Piano & Creative Input)
Patti Labelle ("On My Own" #1 US, 1986)
Kenny Loggins ("Playing with the Boys" from the movies Top Gun and Avalon)
The Escape Club ("I'll Be There" #8 US, 1991)
Starship ("Good Heart" #81 US, 1991)
Indecent Obsession ("Kiss Me" #1 South Africa for 27 weeks, 1992)
Others Wolf has worked with include such popular but disparate artists as Pablo Cruise, Grace Slick, Santana, Survivor, The Pointer Sisters, Chicago, Cliff Richard, Natalie Cole, The Scorpions, 'N Sync, Oleta Adams, Big Country, Sergio Mendes, Boz Scaggs, Joe Sample, Thomas Anders, Laura Branigan, BB King, Zucchero and The Who.
[edit] Film scores |
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| Bram Van Aarle - Friday, 12 March 2010, at 10:37 am |
| Peter Wolf sure does earn some respect but the keyboards were not the thingees Big Country needed. In my opinion the keyboards added nothing. Respect for the keyboard player(s) but it didn't fit in. Aah well memories. |
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| Thomas Enright - Friday, 12 March 2010, at 11:17 am |
| I don't care how "successful" PW was with those other productions, he did an absolutely terrible job on PIOT. If you look at the list it's a bunch of mainstream garbage, just because they were popular doesn't mean they were good. |
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| Andreas Reinschmidt - Friday, 12 March 2010, at 12:19 pm |
| I totally agree with you Thomas, that Thomas Anders guy on the list was one half of the German pop duo Modern Talking. I think that says it all. A producer who produced mainly mainstream crap over the years, can`t produce a non mainstream band like Big Country, that would be like a deaf person selling cds. The deaf person is unable to hear what we can hear. A producer like Peter Wolf can`t listen to Big Country like we do, he always has his "mainstream ears" switched on, you can say he`s deaf for the true beauty of Big Country`s music, but that`s just my opinion. Cheers proterra67 |
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| Doug Summers - Friday, 12 March 2010, at 4:29 pm |
| I can't stand any of those songs. And when you think about them they all kind of sound nauseatingly alike..Who's Johnny = We built This City. They are all the same and all are annoying. Seems like the guy had his formula and fit all of his projects into his sound. BC couldn't fit. Stuart was not the loud melodic singer that the rest of these clowns, De Barge and Grace Slick were. |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Friday, 12 March 2010, at 5:35 pm |
Totally agree with Thomas and Doug...
Eugenio '66 |
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| Eugenio Bindi - Friday, 12 March 2010, at 5:39 pm |
...And with Bram and Andreas...they said a very BIG truth...........................
Eugenio '66 |
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| Shaun Greville - Saturday, 13 March 2010, at 10:55 am |
| Really can't understand the management's unaccountability during this period. All we ever seem to get "is blame Peter Wolf etc," yet this was perhaps the most important,pivotal time in the band's history.I've said this before on the message board but I think there was clearly a lack of management direction at the time. The band had come from their strongest (Seer) period and should have been set up to conquer the states. The four guys have(had) very strong personalities and I can't believe they were led sheep like by Mr.Wolf. Can still listen to PIOT and hear some fantastic stuff. Think of the first time you heard Time for Leaving, 13 Valleys and Thousand Yard Stare. Missed opportunity. |
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| Wullie Whitton - Saturday, 13 March 2010, at 12:13 pm |
| so to say Peter Wolf, does that mean the band and management had no say whatsoever in what was happening? |
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